
I prefer the teacher/classroom model of Fluenz to the picture-only model of Rosetta Stone. The teacher is excellent, and the workouts are very well designed. But….where are the words? (Ou est-ce que les mots sont?) The introduction of new vocabulary moves at a snail’s pace, the rate at which one would expect a middle school level French course to progress. A year ago I spent about 30 hours with a superb book (“French Step-by-Step”, by Charles Berlitz), and developed a reasonable vocabulary in about one month. The problem is that there was no audio to go with it, so as a result my pronunciation was miserable and I did not develop an ear for spoken French. Last year (before Fluenz) I tried to purchase a rail ticket to central Paris at the airport and, although my vocab and grammar were perfect, the attendant responded “Que? Would you prefer to speak English?” Thus, I needed a program like Fluenz to develop a better ear for the language. Fluenz has fixed these problems, but if you rely on Fluenz 1 and 2 alone, you can forget about holding a conversation, as you simply won’t know anywhere near enough vocabulary. As a result, you will need to supplement Fluenz French with some other vocabulary building tool. [Unfortunately, I believe that "French Step-by-Step" no longer is in print].[keyword]learn+french+language[/keyword][yahooquestion]learn+french+language[/yahooquestion]
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I have only been playing with this software for a few days but already I am hooked. The layout is easy to understand and navigate through, it is suitable for all levels of students, and the methods are solid. Highly recommended.
The first disc TalkNow failed to load. A scan of the files using the EuroScan provided with Instant Immersion French V2.0 revealed several files with fatal errors. Errors need to fixed by TOPICS before the software is of any use. Look for other software packages.
[UPDATE 2009.10.27 - Fluenz just released f2, charging purchasers of v1 a $7.00 upgrade fee. I am happy to report that f2 cures most of the problems I first noted in my review. The DVD can be installed to your hard drive, and thus is usable on netbooks and other portable devices. It now remembers where you left off, so you can pick up there again without any wasted effort. The program can be minimized (though still only displayed on the default monitor as far as I can tell). The license is the most flexible of any program you will buy and I can use it on my laptop and netbook. All in all, a worthy upgrade that leaves some nits for f3, but takes care of the most pressing issues. As noted in my earlier review, the method is proving to be very good. Upgraded from 2 to 4-star]
[ORIGINAL REVIEW: The method makes sense and seems to be quite good. The software program itself, however, is laughable for this day and age. The company surely must be planning a real version and they should certainly give a complementary upgrade to those of us who bought this "beta" version. From many examples . . . there are on real instructions on how to use the software. The software does not allow you to view it on any screen except your default screen, so if you have multiple monitors (or use a laptop with a larger monitor that for many reasons you don't want to make your default) you cannot do what every other DVD or program allows you to do. Worse, the program window cannot, ever, be minimized so you can work on other tasks while you take a break (or even email). To take a break, you have to exit the program. And, unlike a normal DVD, the program does NOT remember where you were so you have start from scratch by rebooting the DVD, finding your lesson, and then spend 5-10 minutes finding your place in that lesson. That is every time you want to take a break. The program cannot be loaded in any form onto the computer, so you cannot use this on netbooks or mobile notebooks without a DVD player actually running. Thus, to use it, your DVD must be running which will kill your battery if you are using this on a plane or away from a plug. You cannot navigate backwards/forwards between items within a lesson workout (rather, you can only navigate between workouts) . . . In sum, if you are used to modern computer software and basic functionality, you will be sorely dissapointed. 2 star]
I prefer the teacher/classroom model of Fluenz to the picture-only model of Rosetta Stone. The teacher is excellent, and the workouts are very well designed. But….where are the words? (Ou est-ce que les mots sont?) The introduction of new vocabulary moves at a snail’s pace, the rate at which one would expect a middle school level French course to progress. A year ago I spent about 30 hours with a superb book (“French Step-by-Step”, by Charles Berlitz), and developed a reasonable vocabulary in about one month. The problem is that there was no audio to go with it, so as a result my pronunciation was miserable and I did not develop an ear for spoken French. Last year (before Fluenz) I tried to purchase a rail ticket to central Paris at the airport and, although my vocab and grammar were perfect, the attendant responded “Que? Would you prefer to speak English?” Thus, I needed a program like Fluenz to develop a better ear for the language. Fluenz has fixed these problems, but if you rely on Fluenz 1 and 2 alone, you can forget about holding a conversation, as you simply won’t know anywhere near enough vocabulary. As a result, you will need to supplement Fluenz French with some other vocabulary building tool. [Unfortunately, I believe that "French Step-by-Step" no longer is in print].
I sincerely appreciate how quickly Fluenz User Support responded to my concern about the delay in international delivery by sending another package right away via Fedex service. They were prompt, concerned, courteous, and I am looking forward to learning from this language program.
Thank you.
I bought the Fluenz French 1+2 some weeks ago and the program is excellent. The one on one teaching method and follow through does not compare to anything out there. I thought I could never come around to continue studying french language after high school and was hesitant to pay so much money to begin classess at level one in a college language course. I own french levels 1 and 2 software from Rosetta Stone which I bought about a year and a half ago and could never come around to like their teaching system based on memorizing words and short phrases the way little children are taught languqaged and after less than an hour working with Rosetta I would completely loose interest.
This is a different and smart language program that is easy and interesting to follow through. Would recommend Fluenz French to anyone.
I had to learn french for professional reasons, and surfed the web looking for self-teaching software. Fluenz french was the best product I found. I liked the pace at which it proceeds, I like the simulation of classroom instruction, and I like the structure of the drills. I found it a bit slow at first, but now that I am into it, I’m starting to get a grasp on the structure of french.
I should say, too, that the software is very well organized, and very easy to use. When I had a problem at one point, the user support group was very responsive and very helpful.
This is my first choice for a self-teaching language program. I am starting to supplement it with reading, in particular the easy french reader, and am thinking of doing something else to add to my vocabulary, but this is my core program.
We bought this video after previously watching and enjoying the French volume 1 from the same company. My 3-year old daughter loves this one even more! The production quality and animation has improved and the songs are even better. In fact, my daughter wants to hear the songs again and again. She also enjoys the “quizzes” at the end of each lesson. The actors, who are older versions of the same kids in the first video, are very cute and charming. My daughter loves to see other kids speak French and it encourages her to speak it as well. The level of the video is fine for my daughter who recently enrolled in a French pre-school.
This video was perfect for my French kids who have forgotten a lot of their language. It helped stimulate their memory and they really enjoy the characters.
A bit cheesy..but aren’t all language videos? It has a proper amount of pacing so that the language is easy to pick up. Easy to watch multiple times (well, loads easier than watching BARNEY videos anyway).
unfortunately, kasey the kinderbot is a rip off. this particular cartridge is defective, but i don’t think it’s the seller’s fault. since i bought the toy last year, i have no outlet for buying additional cartridges.
I am disappointed in this toy only because I cannot seem to find any other cartridges for the robots. At this time, I do not wish to buy just the french cartridge, I would like Spanish and others also. The french one is the only one I can find in the stores and online. I also have Toby the todbot, and the situation is the same. Had I known I would not be able to purchase other cartridges, I would NOT have purchased the robots!!!!
My 6 year old received this for Christmas last year and she and her sister play with it all the time. We have 4 cartridges (blue,green,yellow and purple) for Kasey and they never get bored with it! I wish there was something other than French for it. Other than that we are happy.
I bought French level 1, 2 & 3 with audio companion last year. I am enjoying it tremendously, since then I have learned much more than what I learned in two years in a classroom.
I recommend it to everyone!!!
Here is another very important thing:
Costumer service is excellent. I had some problems with activation of license recently and I went to their website which has a “live chat” section and they are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First I’d like to say this is a great product. Many reviewers say it’s the best language program currently available – that might be true (I’ve only tried 3 or 4 programs). I agree with just about every positive thing said about the Rosetta Stone in the customer reviews.
That being said, I would never order it again. First, the price is just too high. My $10 “Instant Immersion” CD box set is definitely not as good as Rosetta Stone… but is it work $400 more?? I definitely don’t think so.
The Instant Immersion is good enough, especially when paired with other resources, such as a pocket dictionary, &/or the Pimsleur system (which is also inexpensive, and very efficient). Many people tell me that Fluenz is very good as well. So for me, Rosetta Stone loses one star for price.
Second (the much bigger issue), the licensing issues are a deal breaker for me. I will never again order any Rosetta Stone product.
You can only load the program twice … the intent (I believe) is to have a copy at home and at work. But if the first install is bad, or if your computer crashes, that’s it! You have to buy another copy. I replace my computers (or hard drives) every 2 years on average. This severely limits my use of this product. This is pure greed on the part of Rosetta Stone, and unforgivable in my opinion. If I have a serial number, I should be able to have unrestricted personal use of the product.
Also, you can never, ever transfer ownership or sell it. Again, an unforgivable offense in my opinion. If you fork out $400-500 for this software, and end up not liking the full immersion style, then your stuck with it. (And hey, let’s face it – all of our brains aren’t wired the same.) This really, REALLY bothers me to think that this company doesn’t mind ripping people off just because you learn differently. I love this learning style…but again, some people learn differently.
Finally, you have to have the original CD in place to use it – which means, you CAN’T use it at work & home unless you carry the darn disc around. For travel I use a portable netbook, which doesn’t have a CD drive, so I absolutely can’t travel with it. So the product loses another star for stupid licensing & other user restrictions.
So simply based on the merits of the product, I give it 5 stars. But based on licensing issues, greed, and limited user rights, I give is 0 stars. So if the price (& risks associated with product) don’t bother you, by all means, get it & enjoy it. But if any of the problems I’ve mentioned give you pause, try one or more of the alternatives I mentioned.
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I tried this software out in several languages, and found the learning process to be very easy and intuitive. I’d recommend it for learning a language, although it will never compare to living in a foreign country and speaking only that language.
Pros:
Rosetta stone’s process is a lot better than traditional “current language word = foreign language word” learning processes, which rely on memorization and lead to internal translation from the foreign language to one’s native language while speaking. Rosetta stone converts foreign words straight to pictures and ideas, eliminating internal translation to one’s native language. There is plenty of repetition of previous words, but at no point does the process seem like rote recitation.
The software is divided into “lessons” which introduce new words, and have several exercises including matching, pronouncing each part of the word, verbally filling in blanks with your new words, etc. There is plenty to keep you interested and ensure that you learn new words and phrases.
The voice recognition was decent, a simple training has the program hearing you correctly ~90% of the time, and an adjustable slider can reduce the pickiness the software has if you’re having issues, although that also controls how strictly you want to be held to pronunciation.
Cons of Rosetta Stone:
-It’s expensive
-The approach in rosetta stone does not use conjugations or grammar rules, you just learn words and phrases. Some maybe bothered by this.
-Many other reviews note technical problems, I had no issues on my PC running windows XP.
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That's an excellent comment. I wanted to think about it for a day before responding.
First of all, do note that my main instance of the inverted classroom model is for teaching MATLAB programming, not linear algebra. (I have used this technique in linear algebra on a targeted basis (so to speak), but the MATLAB course is the only one I do entirely inverted.) So that brings this discussion a little closer to that of learning/acquiring a language, and hence my example is at least somewhat relevant. Arguments could be made that the learning of mathematical concepts has a strongly linguistic flavor as well.
It's been a long time since my cognitive psychology class, and I haven't read the paper you linked in a later comment, but it's my understanding that the science behind “language acquisition devices” as you mention here is not settled. The LAD is Chomsky's theory but there are competing explanations. However, I could be behind the times on that.
As to your last two paragraphs, note that I made no statements about how hard or easy I think any of this is. And I also said nothing about the issues that students bring up during the course — just that there is usually an initial culture shock when students are still learning that class time is spent in a fundamentally different way than they might be used to. What I did indicate in the article is that student feedback shifts from shock to a realization that this way of learning helps them in a number of important ways that go beyond just the course material. That's the feedback I get from students — what are the “legitimate issues” to which you are referring?
You might be referring to cognitive load. I have this to say about cognitive load, especially whether the inverted model brings on too much of it. In any course, no matter how it's taught, students are going to have to learn certain things that require more than just listening. For example, in the MATLAB course they will need to know how to write a program with a branching structure like an IF-THEN statement. In the transmission phase — the lecture — students can watch as the lecturer constructs and executes such a program. But then, in the assimilation phase, they have to build one themselves and debug it until it works. Student tasks and learning outcomes are the same whether the class is traditional or inverted. Which mode of instruction provides the greater amount of cognitive load on students? I would argue that, in this case, the traditional model does, because the most cognitively complex tasks — e.g. writing a function with a properly-executed IF-THEN statement in it — are left up to the student to figure out on his or her own, physically apart from the instructor. In the inverted model, the least cognitively involved task is put into that space — e.g. watching the lecture and playing along at home with simple guided practice. This is exactly what the student would be doing — listening more or less passively to a lecture — in class; it is not a more difficult task because it's done online. And we use the classroom time and space to focus, with the instructor and in groups, on the assimilation tasks, and presumably with all that support readily available the cognitive load is reduced. In other words, because the inverted model puts instructor and classmate availability in direct, rather than inverse, proportion to the cognitive level of the task being performed, the overall cognitive load is reduced. It's the same stuff taking place, just aligned better in terms of matching hardness of task with availability of resources.
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